Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. 1 Seriously, whats the WHY of Wayland OS2user on 2. GMT from United StatesJesse wrote I am happy to see Wayland is coming along to the point where it is close to on par with the X session. Its not just Wayland I see this as THE KEY QUESTION PROBLEM in GNULinux many duplicative efforts having no clear advantage over existing, which after years get to point of merely usable. No doubt has X has many flaws, but one could fix or extend X or just be content within its limits. Fracturing the market particularly with versions that simply dont work with a supplied video player as noted for Fedora above is making Linux LESS ready for the desktop than ever. A GUI doesnt have to do much beyond drawing filling rectangles, a little bit blitting for icons, and figuring out where mouse is, especially for clicks. Again, Windows 3. Sure, nearly all of you here like experimenting, but new isnt what most people want. Stepbystep guide for installing Red Hat Linux as well as system configuration. Its never been harder to install Linux on a laptop. No longer a matter of downloading, burning, and hoping for a compatible WiFi card, these laptops, new and old. Sources List Generator for Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Ubuntu Server and other Ubuntubased distros. It features the official Canonical one repositories as. Find Graphics Card Driver Ubuntu Gnome' title='Find Graphics Card Driver Ubuntu Gnome' />I wonder how many potential converts you lose just from bad GUI design. I converted but the continual needless changes in GUIs, combined with increasingly unreliable operation in every area, topped by the ext. Windows. BTW that new WD 3. T drive is entirely reliable now. Opinion Poll ARM desktops and laptops by FT on 2. GMT from SingaporeDoes single board computer SBC such as Raspberry Pi boards considered as ARM desktops If yes, then my poll will be I own multiple ARM powered SBC3 ARM processor powered Laptops Desktop by ARM OStong on 2. GMT from CanadaMicrosoft is having a pot luck party with Qualcomm Snapdragon 8. MS is experimenting Windows 1. G LTE modem, Bluetooth 5 and 8. Wi Fi support. While ASUS, Dell, Lenovo and HP are experimenting with ARM cellular mobile PCs. Two leading manufacturers in China already have ARM processor powered laptops since long and these are hard to find in North American and European Consumer Market. K.png' alt='Find Graphics Card Driver Ubuntu Gnome' title='Find Graphics Card Driver Ubuntu Gnome' />Fedora by Andy Prough on 2. GMT from AsiaPacific RegionThats really too bad to read about your bad experience with the Gnome environment on Fedora. Like Ubuntu, I found that open. Network Problems Are Preventing Connection To The Microsoft Exchange Server. SUSE has a customized Gnome setup that works quite well under both Wayland and Xorg. Ive given up on using the Gnome software manager though. It seems worse than useless with the way it gives different updates in open. SUSE than what you get with YAST or zypper. Im afraid it will break the system if I try to use it for updates or for installing new packages, as it does not seem intelligently designed enough to deal with dependencies reliably. Also surprising to see the high memory usage with XFCE. Wayland is good by M. Z. on 2. 01. 7 1. GMT from United States1Its not just Wayland I see this as THE KEY QUESTION PROBLEM in GNULinux many duplicative efforts having no clear advantage over existing,There are a multitude of reasons why X is being replaced with Wayland, yes the eventual goal is total replacement. The thing about X is that it is old, insecure, filled with many now useless features according to the people from X who started Wayland, it needs to be replaced. I dont know all the technical details, but from the research Ive done Wayland is a greatly simplified way to do the best of what X should be doing in some ways is doing right now. It does it far more securely, with more accuracy, and it has a simplified code base that should be far more maintainable easier for new people to work on. All this while being backward compatible allowing X to be used as needed. Also, FYI, the main duplication of effort was the way that the Ubuntu project was creating this thing called Mir that was supposed to be the same basic thing as Wayland. This effort has basically been suspended in all but some edge cases where I understand Mir is actually being used in conjunction with Wayland, rather than as an alternative to it. So actually give what happened with the real duplication of effort, you seen to just be complaining about something old being replaced by something newer simpler. A GUI doesnt have to do much beyond drawing filling rectangles. And yet, you seem to be arguing that we should all stick to the old Rube Goldberg machine that is X simply because it is there working now regardless of how bad it actually is. This contradiction makes me think you have no clue what is actually going on. Vastly different results from Fedora 2. Brenton Horne on 2. GMT from AustraliaFedoras GNOME on Wayland session seems to work better for me. Totem runs fine on Wayland if relevant my graphics card is a NVIDIA one, although yes the video codecs GNOME Software comes up with when Totem cant play a video are numerous and have unhelpful descriptions. The only app I found that didnt run on Wayland was Plank the dock program from Pantheon. Theres no need to reboot after upgrades when you upgrade with DNF from the command line. The only thing I really hate about Fedora is how sensitive it is. If I chroot into it from another system and yes I do mount up the dev, sys and proc file systems before doing this, the same way I do for Gentoo based on the Gentoo Handbook and run dnf update or dnf install broadcom wl from RPMFusion non free repo, which I do as I cant connect to the Wi. Fi on a fresh F2. Broadcom chip, several systemd services fail on boot, preventing GNOME and agetty TTY terminals from starting. Likewise if I manually compile software and install to usrlocal, even on a running system as opposed to in a chroot, I get the same systemd issues. If I move files around, even in the home folder, from another system e. I also find the system fails to boot, although oddly no systemd services I can see fail. Fedora 2. 7 by linuxista on 2. GMT from United StatesSpent a few days last week installing fedora 2. OS. Im very, very impressed. Suse Tumbleweed only lasted 4 months before I couldnt wait to pave over it. I have a feeling Fedora, as long as the upgrade path is stable, i. Im very partial to rolling Arch has been my primary for many years but if Arch users are looking for a point release distro, for me at least, Fedora feels right in a number of ways. CLI pkg mgmt dnf is excellent. Std install is streamlined, not bloaty looking at you Tumbleweed. Tinkering is straightforward and responds predictably to intervention, i. On the downside, COPR is pretty dismal compared to the AUR, but I got almost everything I wanted in regular repos rpmfusion. Documentation is not great. If only Red Hat would lose that paywall. As per Jesses review. GnomeWayland on Fedora is working just fine for me. Same as on Arch. The focus on the Ubuntu dock seems pretty superficial, like choosing to buy one car over another because of the color paint or the hubcaps. There are a number of excellent extensions that do whatever the Ubuntu dock does and more that are super easily obtainable. To me doesnt seem like a valid basis for choosing one over another. GMT from United StatesYou said it all. Why make it more confusiing that it needs to be The average desktop user Are there any left does not give a damn about xorg vs wayland or systmd vs init. Why not make it unified for the sake of the few desktop users still hanging on to the dinasour dream Linux will never probably not overtake Windows on the desktop, and forget about smartphones or tablets.